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CDR-DYES
 

You've seen the references to "gold dye", "green dye", "blue dye", "silver on gold", "silver on silver" as descriptions of CD-R media. It gets rather confusing when trying to understand which is which, even with samples right in front of you. I hope this explanation will help....

This way of describing CD-R media originated innocently enough when the industry was younger and gold CD-R media was the only type available. At that time, you could pick up a CD-R, turn it over, and see either a green color or gold color.simple enough.

All CDs contain a reflective layer that allows a laser to bounce off of the CD and be "read" by the pickup sensor in your CD player. The ones and zeros are coded into the dye layer of the disc and are ultimately transformed into the data that you are storing. Many metals are suitable for use as a reflective layer, although only three have been in widespread use for CDs (mostly because of cost). Aluminum is used for CD-ROM, CD-Audio etc.  Gold or Silver are currently being used for CD-R.

Much of the confusion started when silver CD-Rs were introduced, changing the apparent color of the dye. Cyanine (blue) dye appears green on gold media and blue on silver media. Phthalocyanine dye appears transparent on gold media, but light green on silver media. The term "Gold on Gold" is used because the disc looks gold on both sides.  
 

There are three types of dye currently in use for CD-R media:

Name       Pronunciation Actual color Common names
Phthalocyanine thalo-sy-a-neen Very light green gold dye, gold on silver, silver on silver
Cyanine sy-a-neen Blue  Blue dye, green dye
Azo* ayz-o Very deep blue  dark green, dark blue


99 minute blanks

Last change: 19-03-2002

Technical background

This unusual amount of storage capacity is made possible by the combination of the two known methods used so far to raise capacity:

1. Moving the tracks of the Helix closer together, as is done with 80 minutes blanks. 2. Using the so-called method of 'overburning' which uses the full capacity of the media beyond the given specifications, giving you an additional 2 to 4 minutes.

Both methods used together will give you blanks of exceptional length which still have to be 'overburned'. This is due to the fact that the ATIP of the blank, such as 80 minute media, specifies a maximum recording length of 79:59 minutes - regardless of the actual capacity of the blank. Unfortunately it is not possible to extend these specifications much beyond that point. These specifications were agreed upon more than ten years ago when the CD was introduced and they were intended for 74 minute media. Even the now common 80 minute blanks are not really compatible with the original specifications (although they are included in them), and processing them is only possible because of the fact that there is built-in tolerance concerning the distance between tracks. Incidentally, brand name CD-Rs will mostly only work within the given specification to ensure best compatibility with as many recorders and players as possible. This explains why for a long time only no-name 80 minute blanks were available.

Hardware problems with the 99 minute media

Given the extreme exploitation of all existing tolerances you are likely to experience problems when recording or processing 99 minute blanks. Not every drive will happily record information onto the blank. There can, for example, be problems due to the information encoded in the ATIP of the media, where the maximum recording time specified is 79:59 minutes. The space beyond that is reserved for lead-in data. If one wants to use this space for recording data then the space would have to be displayed in negative values. The last sector within the 79:59 minute space would be given the value of 1 and the first sector beyond that would have the value of -45150. This would result in having every sector number within that space twice on your CD. Given this many drives will refuse to record any data into that region of your blank. Some audio CD players and CD-ROM drives will also experience difficulties processing the blanks, especially when trying to start a track. The playback may be delayed by as much as 45 seconds until the player has found the right track. Some players will not play tracks that start beyond the 90 minute mark when the track is directly selected.

Software problems with the 99 minute media

Recording programs get their information about the blank from the ATIP of the media. If the ATIP specifies a maximum time of 80 minutes then the only way to use any space beyond that is the method of so-called 'Overburning' which was until now used in cases where one wanted to sqeeze a little more information onto a 74 minute blank. That means that you need the right software which enables you to 'overburn' blanks. The program will normally display a warning message in these cases. Under certain circumstances the program will not be able to process the blank at all. It will at least display the 'wrong' maximum recording space of the blank because the specified time is 80 minutes. Otherwise all recorders would reject the media. Conclusions Working with both CD-Rs of more than 650 MB and the 'overburning' method requires a compatible recorder as well as the right recording software. In terms of software we recommend CDRWIN from Golden Hawk, DiscJuggler or cdrecord from Jörg Schilling. Should you want to use recording software from other manufacturers, we recommend that you contact themdirectly. A list of compatible drives can be found here:

Company
Model / Firmware
Max. Capacity
Successful
Failed
AOpen
CRW 9642
89:59
All
-

CRW 1232

89:59

All

-

CRW 1232A

89:59

All

-

CRW 1232 Pro

89:59

All

-

CRW 1632 > 1.03

99:05

All

-

Creative
CD-RW 4224E
89:59
All
-
CD-RW 8432E
89:59
All
-
Freecom
4x/4x/20x
89:59
2x, 4x, 8x
Rest
Lite-On
LTR- 24102B
99:05
All
-
LTR-16101B
89:59
All
-
LG Electronics
 
CED - 8080B
FW > 1.00
99:05
2x, 4x
8x
CED - 8083B
FW > 1.00
99:05
2x, 4x
8x
CD-RW - 8084
FW > 1.00
89:59
1x, 2x
4x
CD-RW - 8120
FW > 1.00
99:05
> 4x
1x, 2x
Memorex
CD-RW 8432
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
CD-RW 4420s
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
Mitsumi
4801
-
-
All
4802
-
-
All
4804 / FW > 2.2C
99:05
1x, 2x, 4x
-
4805 / FW > 1.5A
99:05
1x, 2x, 4x, 8x
-
4808
98:05
2x, 4x, 8x, 16 x
1x
Plextor
PX-R412
-
-
All
820T / FW > 1.05
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x
1x
4220T
89:59
4x, 2x
1x
8220T / FW > 1.02
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x
1x
W8432T / FW >1.05
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x
1x
W124T / FW > 1.02
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x
-
121032A / FW > 1.01
89:59
12x, 8x, 4x, 2x
1x
1210
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x
Rest
161040
94:59
8x, 4x, 2x
Rest
2410TA
94:59
8x, 4x, 2x
Rest
Ricoh
MP 6200
-
-
Alle
7040 / FW > 1.02
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
MP7060
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
7063A-DP
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
7080A-DP
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
7120A
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
7125A > 1.10
99:05
4x, 2x, 1x
-
7163A
94:59
8x, 4x, 2x, 1x
-
7200A
99:59
8x, 4x, 2x, 1x
-
8040 / FW > 1.03
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
9060 / FW > 1.05
89:59
6x *2)
4x, 2x, 1x
9120 / FW > 1.10
89:59
All
-

Sanyo

CRD-RW2
92:59
1, 2x, 4x
Rest
CRD-BP2N
92:59
1, 2x, 4x
Rest
CRD-BP4
92:59
1, 2x, 4x
Rest
CRD-BP1400PN > 5.32
92:59
Alle, incl. 12x
-
CRD-BP1500PN
93:59
Alle, incl. 16x
-
Samsung
SW-208B
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
SW-212B
89:59
All
-
SM-304
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
SM-308
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
Rest
SM-408
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
Rest
Smart & Friendly
RW12432 > 1.27
93:59
2x, 4x, 8x
Rest
Teac
CD-R 50S
-
-
All
CD-R 55S / FW > 1.0Q
92:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-
CD-R 56S/58S *1)
-
-
All
CD-W58E
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x, 1x
-
CD-W512
89:59
8x, 4x, 2x, 1x
12x
CD-W516
89:59
All
-
CD-W54E
89:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-

TDK

161040

91:59

4x, 2x, 1x

Rest

Traxdata
CDR 4120 PRO
92:59
1, 2x, 4x
-
Waitec
T-Rex
93:59
All
-
Yamaha

CRW 6416S

87:59
4x, 2x, 1x
-

CRW 8424E/S

87:59
4x, 2x, 1x
8x

CRW 8824E/S

87:59
4x, 2x, 1x
8x

CRW 2100E

89:59

All

-

CRW 2200E

91:59

All

-

 

*1) The CD recorder Teac CD-R 56S/58S will record up to 89:59 minutes when running in Teac 55S compatibility mode.

*2) We generally recommend using 2x speed or at most 4x speed to record or you run the risk that some tracks contain errors. The Ricoh MP 9060 drive for example will often fail to record successfully when using 6x speed!

Please note: This list is not meant to be conclusive in any way. We are in contact with many different manufacturers of CD recorders and most of them are interested in compatibility. We will try to give you first-hand information about any improvements done by the manufacturers in terms of compatibility!



 

 

 



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