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CDR-DYES
You've
seen the references to "gold dye", "green dye",
"blue dye", "silver on gold", "silver
on silver" as descriptions of CD-R media. It gets rather
confusing when trying to understand which is which, even with
samples right in front of you. I hope this explanation will
help....
This
way of describing CD-R media originated innocently enough when
the industry was younger and gold CD-R media was the only type
available. At that time, you could pick up a CD-R, turn it over,
and see either a green color or gold color.simple enough.
All
CDs contain a reflective layer that allows a laser to bounce
off of the CD and be "read" by the pickup sensor in
your CD player. The ones and zeros are coded into the dye layer
of the disc and are ultimately transformed into the data that
you are storing. Many metals are suitable for use as a reflective
layer, although only three have been in widespread use for CDs
(mostly because of cost). Aluminum is used for CD-ROM, CD-Audio
etc. Gold or Silver are currently being used for CD-R.
Much
of the confusion started when silver CD-Rs were introduced,
changing the apparent color of the dye. Cyanine (blue) dye appears
green on gold media and blue on silver media. Phthalocyanine
dye appears transparent on gold media, but light green on silver
media. The term "Gold on Gold" is used because the
disc looks gold on both sides.
There
are three types of dye currently in use for CD-R media:
|
Name
|
Pronunciation |
Actual
color |
Common
names |
|
Phthalocyanine |
thalo-sy-a-neen |
Very light green |
gold dye, gold on silver, silver on silver |
|
Cyanine |
sy-a-neen |
Blue |
Blue dye, green dye |
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Azo* |
ayz-o |
Very deep blue |
dark green, dark blue |
99 minute blanks
Last change:
19-03-2002
Technical background
This
unusual amount of storage capacity is made possible by the combination
of the two known methods used so far to raise capacity:
1.
Moving the tracks of the Helix closer together, as is done with
80 minutes blanks. 2. Using the so-called method of 'overburning'
which uses the full capacity of the media beyond the given specifications,
giving you an additional 2 to 4 minutes.
Both
methods used together will give you blanks of exceptional length
which still have to be 'overburned'. This is due to the fact
that the ATIP of the blank, such as 80 minute media, specifies
a maximum recording length of 79:59 minutes - regardless of
the actual capacity of the blank. Unfortunately it is not possible
to extend these specifications much beyond that point. These
specifications were agreed upon more than ten years ago when
the CD was introduced and they were intended for 74 minute media.
Even the now common 80 minute blanks are not really compatible
with the original specifications (although they are included
in them), and processing them is only possible because of the
fact that there is built-in tolerance concerning the distance
between tracks. Incidentally, brand name CD-Rs will mostly only
work within the given specification to ensure best compatibility
with as many recorders and players as possible. This explains
why for a long time only no-name 80 minute blanks were available.
Hardware problems with the 99 minute media
Given
the extreme exploitation of all existing tolerances you are
likely to experience problems when recording or processing 99
minute blanks. Not every drive will happily record information
onto the blank. There can, for example, be problems due to the
information encoded in the ATIP of the media, where the maximum
recording time specified is 79:59 minutes. The space beyond
that is reserved for lead-in data. If one wants to use this
space for recording data then the space would have to be displayed
in negative values. The last sector within the 79:59 minute
space would be given the value of 1 and the first sector beyond
that would have the value of -45150. This would result in having
every sector number within that space twice on your CD. Given
this many drives will refuse to record any data into that region
of your blank. Some audio CD players and CD-ROM drives will
also experience difficulties processing the blanks, especially
when trying to start a track. The playback may be delayed by
as much as 45 seconds until the player has found the right track.
Some players will not play tracks that start beyond the 90 minute
mark when the track is directly selected.
Software problems with the 99 minute media
Recording
programs get their information about the blank from the ATIP
of the media. If the ATIP specifies a maximum time of 80 minutes
then the only way to use any space beyond that is the method
of so-called 'Overburning' which was until now used in cases
where one wanted to sqeeze a little more information onto a
74 minute blank. That means that you need the right software
which enables you to 'overburn' blanks. The program will normally
display a warning message in these cases. Under certain circumstances
the program will not be able to process the blank at all. It
will at least display the 'wrong' maximum recording space of
the blank because the specified time is 80 minutes. Otherwise
all recorders would reject the media. Conclusions Working with
both CD-Rs of more than 650 MB and the 'overburning' method
requires a compatible recorder as well as the right recording
software. In terms of software we recommend CDRWIN
from Golden Hawk,
DiscJuggler or cdrecord from Jörg
Schilling. Should you want to use recording software from
other manufacturers, we recommend that you contact themdirectly.
A list of compatible drives can be found here:
|
Company
|
Model
/ Firmware
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Max.
Capacity
|
Successful
|
Failed
|
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AOpen
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CRW
9642
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CRW
1232
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CRW
1232A
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CRW
1232 Pro
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CRW
1632 > 1.03
|
99:05
|
All
|
-
|
|
Creative
|
CD-RW
4224E
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CD-RW
8432E
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
Freecom
|
4x/4x/20x
|
89:59
|
2x,
4x, 8x
|
Rest
|
|
Lite-On
|
LTR-
24102B
|
99:05
|
All
|
-
|
|
LTR-16101B
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
LG
Electronics
|
CED
- 8080B
FW > 1.00
|
99:05
|
2x,
4x
|
8x
|
|
CED
- 8083B
FW > 1.00
|
99:05
|
2x,
4x
|
8x
|
|
CD-RW
- 8084
FW > 1.00
|
89:59
|
1x,
2x
|
4x
|
|
CD-RW
- 8120
FW > 1.00
|
99:05
|
>
4x
|
1x,
2x
|
|
Memorex
|
CD-RW
8432
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
CD-RW
4420s
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
Mitsumi
|
4801
|
-
|
-
|
All
|
|
4802
|
-
|
-
|
All
|
|
4804
/ FW > 2.2C
|
99:05
|
1x,
2x, 4x
|
-
|
|
4805
/ FW > 1.5A
|
99:05
|
1x,
2x, 4x, 8x
|
-
|
|
4808
|
98:05
|
2x,
4x, 8x, 16 x
|
1x
|
|
Plextor
|
PX-R412
|
-
|
-
|
All
|
|
820T
/ FW > 1.05
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
1x
|
|
4220T
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x
|
1x
|
|
8220T
/ FW > 1.02
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
1x
|
|
W8432T
/ FW >1.05
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
1x
|
|
W124T
/ FW > 1.02
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
-
|
|
121032A
/ FW > 1.01
|
89:59
|
12x,
8x, 4x, 2x
|
1x
|
|
1210
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
Rest
|
|
161040
|
94:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
Rest
|
|
2410TA
|
94:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x
|
Rest
|
|
Ricoh
|
MP
6200
|
-
|
-
|
Alle
|
|
7040
/ FW > 1.02
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
MP7060
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7063A-DP
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7080A-DP
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7120A
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7125A
> 1.10
|
99:05
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7163A
|
94:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
7200A
|
99:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
8040
/ FW > 1.03
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
9060
/ FW > 1.05
|
89:59
|
6x
*2)
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
|
9120
/ FW > 1.10
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
Sanyo
|
CRD-RW2
|
92:59
|
1,
2x, 4x
|
Rest
|
|
CRD-BP2N
|
92:59
|
1,
2x, 4x
|
Rest
|
|
CRD-BP4
|
92:59
|
1,
2x, 4x
|
Rest
|
|
CRD-BP1400PN
> 5.32
|
92:59
|
Alle,
incl. 12x
|
-
|
|
CRD-BP1500PN
|
93:59
|
Alle,
incl. 16x
|
-
|
|
Samsung
|
SW-208B
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
SW-212B
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
SM-304
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
SM-308
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
Rest
|
|
SM-408
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
Rest
|
|
Smart
& Friendly
|
RW12432
> 1.27
|
93:59
|
2x,
4x, 8x
|
Rest
|
|
Teac
|
CD-R
50S
|
-
|
-
|
All
|
|
CD-R
55S / FW > 1.0Q
|
92:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
CD-R
56S/58S *1)
|
-
|
-
|
All
|
|
CD-W58E
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
CD-W512
|
89:59
|
8x,
4x, 2x, 1x
|
12x
|
|
CD-W516
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CD-W54E
|
89:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
TDK
|
161040
|
91:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
Rest
|
|
Traxdata
|
CDR
4120 PRO
|
92:59
|
1,
2x, 4x
|
-
|
|
Waitec
|
T-Rex
|
93:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
Yamaha
|
CRW
6416S
|
87:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
-
|
|
CRW
8424E/S
|
87:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
8x
|
|
CRW
8824E/S
|
87:59
|
4x,
2x, 1x
|
8x
|
|
CRW
2100E
|
89:59
|
All
|
-
|
|
CRW
2200E
|
91:59
|
All
|
-
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*1)
The CD recorder Teac CD-R 56S/58S will record up to 89:59 minutes
when running in Teac 55S compatibility mode.
*2)
We generally recommend using 2x speed or at most 4x speed to
record or you run the risk that some tracks contain errors.
The Ricoh MP 9060 drive for example will often fail to record
successfully when using 6x speed!
Please
note: This list is not meant to be conclusive in any way. We
are in contact with many different manufacturers of CD recorders
and most of them are interested in compatibility. We will try
to give you first-hand information about any improvements done
by the manufacturers in terms of compatibility!
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